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Security Software
« on: October 04, 2009, 03:00:37 PM »
I?m not going to tell you not to use antivirus .  I?m not going to present some kind of conspiracy theory about how the antivirus companies partner with the virus makers to create demand for their products (Though I?m nearly cynical enough to believe it).  Ever heard of the ?Conficker? virus?  If you read the news, you have.  And what does it do?  How do you get it?  Has that been clearly published in the news?  Nope.  What?s the answer to this supposedly vicious threat?  Buy more antivirus.  Upgrade antivirus and antispyware.  Is the Conficker virus any worse than any other virus that?s ever been put out?  No way.  I can?t say whether all the media hype about this virus is somehow backed by the antivirus developers, but it?s quite clear they got a huge sales and at least interest boost out of all the media coverage.  Visitor counts to antivirus websites shot up when the story first broke the news.  I don?t have a problem with antivirus developers making money ? but don?t try to scare us into buying your stuff.

Ever seen those TV commercials that say ?Finally Fast??  Do you believe that whatever they?re selling will speed up your P4 2GHz to rival a Phenom on a DDR3 platform?  How about Registry Optimization?  Those of us with technical experience don?t buy into this crap? but the average PC user may.  How can they know?  Nobody is offering general knowledge to the masses, protecting them from exploitation.  I have some advice for the average PC user on how to avoid viruses and spyware, even if you don?t use antivirus at all!  Even if you have antivirus, if you pick up the latest strain of malware, it?ll get right by any one of them that doens?t have strong heuristics (the ability to identify undefined malware).  This is something that the big software/hardware companies have failed to do ? provide the public service of general education on how to have a positive experience using their products.  Here are a few points that should help you avoid viruses and malware threats, and generally have a better, safer experience on your PC:

#1  STAY CALM, DONT?OVERREACT

If you?ve ever been in a car accident (or just watched reality TV), you may know what it looks like when people in accidents freak out, lose their cool, etc.  Most of us probably ask ourselves, ?Don?t they know it won?t help anything to freak out like that??   Sure, there are emotional people and we should sympathize with them, but indeed it does not help at all.  Just because you see a new virus threat on the news does not mean you have to immediately spend any [more] money on your antivirus solution.  If you can use some of the techniques below, you will avoid the vast majority of malware threats out there.  You don?t have to know much about computers to take ownership of what happens on yours.  If you?ve got a virus on the PC ? there?s nothing to do other than find out how to deal with it.  Using search techniques below, you can find out what?s going on with your PC, and even find free help fixing it yourself, if you?re so inclined.  Or, you can call up one of the big brands to clean your PC remotely or in-home.  It will be relatively expensive, but so is repairing a damaged car.  In either case, these are necessities for our daily lives nowadays, so let?s be Triple-C (Calm, Cool and Collected), and just accept it.  Just plan to do better at avoiding that situation next time around.

#2 CONTROL YOUR PC?s ENVIRONMENT

If you live alone, this is not an issue.  For many of us, we share our PC with others in the household.  The existence of the threat of malware, fraud, and other attacks needs to be accepted by all who use the PC, and reasonable ground rules need to be set.  You paid for the PC, you own it ? protect it.  If you don?t want anyone on the PC after 10pm, that?s your right ? they wouldn?t even have a PC if it wasn?t for you anyways.  This is what they refer to as ?physical security? of your PC.

#3 LEARN HOW TO AVOID MALWARE & VIRUSES

For most of us, this occurred due to trial and error.  We got viruses, downloaded malware we thought was something else, and had to deal with the consequences (cleaning, reintsalling, reformatting!).  The goal is for us, as a technological society, is to push the bar higher and emphasize the key techniques to staying free from infection, so that others will have a better experience moving forward.  Here are a few points:

?Too Good to Be True
◦You?re not going to get that ?Free iPhone? ? you may however download malware disguised as something legitimate, and likely end up fighting to close a bunch of popups, etc.
?E-Cards, Screensavers, Toolbars
◦If you REALLY need to send an E-Card ? go to Hallmark, American Greetings ? someplace big.  Don?t use some random site that is not easily traceable to a large entity.
◦Screensavers ? Do we really need them anymore?  Aren?t we trying to save electricity here?  How about setting your PC to sleep instead of turning on the fishbowl screensaver?  Oh, and fake screensavers are a huge source of malware, too.
◦Do you have more than one toolbar on the browser you?re using right now?  Why?  If you actually use many of the features of a toolbar, then go for it ? but is it worth the loss of visible webpage space?  Oh, and there are plenty of examples where toolbars are used to run software on your PC without your explicit knowledge.
?Avoid ?Suggestions? or ?Featured Ads?
◦If you do any searching on the topic of viruses, you will see tons of featured ads ? and many of them actually lead directly to fraudulent antivirus or at least less-than-trustworthy sites.  Anyone can pay to get a featured ad, even the scammers.
?Website Registrations, Good and Bad
◦For trustworthy sites you use every day, or at least somewhat frequently, registering is a great thing.  It remembers you, keeps you connected with topics and people you want to, etc.
◦For frivolous things, like downloading a quick video or wallpaper, avoid registering.  There is almost always an alternative site to get the same of similar item you?re looking for that doesn?t require registration.  The less exposure you give your email address, the less extra email you will receive.  It?s not SPAM email if you registered and technically ?asked for it.?
?Web Pages Don?t Know You!
◦If a window pops up from out of nowhere ? ?YOU?RE INFECTED BY SPYWARE? remember: A web page CANNOT determine if you have spyware without your permission (clicking OK, etc.)!  Close your browser immediately ? this is a major technique for getting you to infect your PC by installing fraudulent antispyware software.
◦An ad tells you that you have to optimize your registry.  How do they know?  Why would they say that?  They?re selling you something.
?Don?t take any crap from a website!
◦There are too many options on the internet for almost every single bit of information that you may be looking for; you do not have to put up with any website that does not just give you what you want reasonably.
◦If you find yourself 10-20 clicks away from your original intended reason for being at a website just to try to get the info you wanted in the first place, leave that website.  There?s always someone who will give you a better experience.
#4 HOW TO GET ALL THE ANSWERS

Here?s your real weapon against getting infected:  Knowing everything.  No, you don?t have explicit knowledge about everything but guess what?  You?re on the internet right now, and every answer for every question about a PC has been asked and answered, probably multiple times, and are readily available for you at any moment ? if you search properly.

If you have a question of any kind, type in the whole question into the search box.  Then, take out all of the small words that are not specifically relevant to the topic.  Next, if there is a specific phrase or error message you are seeing, put that part in quotes.  Then use the ?minus? to remove anything that comes up in the search that you don?t want to see.

Example:

?Original Question: Why does my Call of Duty United Offensive crash?  It says AppError 5623:000 DataBuffer Overflow 2906
?Pared down: Call of Duty United Offensive crash AppError 5623:000 DataBuffer Overflow 2906
?With Quotes: ?Call of Duty? United Offensive crash ?AppError 5623:000 DataBuffer Overflow 2906″
?Now, you find that your search results have a bunch of stuff about United airlines and air crashes.  You need to remove those listings :
◦?Call of Duty? United Offensive crash ?AppError 5623:000 DataBuffer Overflow 2906″ -airlines -airplane -plane
Those search techniques make you seem like a genius, as you?ll be getting the most specific results!

CONCLUSION

Basically, there are some things we can control, and others we can?t.  As average PC/internet users, we CAN control what we click on, where we register your email, how to be heathily skeptical, and who and what gets on your PC in general.  We can even control (to some extent) the recovery of a PC that has already been infected.

What we cannot control are the constant attempts by malware producers to try and infect us with their crap.  When armed with this information and a few basic techniques, we can all keep the malware menace out of our PCs.  Please share this knowledge with others, share your thoughts on how you protect yourself on the web, reinvest your experiences so that others might have a better experience themselves.

Let?s end the melodrama and hype surrounding viruses and malware.  Healthy skepticism and a bit of knowledge is really what is called for now.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2009, 03:33:12 PM by Sport »


 
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Re: Security Software
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 03:33:36 PM »
Good tips Sport.  :bigthumb:

Thanks for posting.
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Re: Security Software
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 03:42:14 PM »
Personally I use AVG with Zone Alarm on some systems; "System Suite 8" on a few desktops and a couple laptops ...Comodo suite on some laptops and the new MS Security Essentials on a few grab and go machines...we are talking about ...hhhmmm 20 machines???

I don't remember the last really bad infection I've had!  Remember common sense and 'System Restore" are your best weapons against the bad guys!
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Re: Security Software
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 04:03:39 PM »
Over the years I've used many of the available products both free and paid.

My all time favs for free is AVG and for paid is Microsoft OneCare.
The OneCare has been discontinued, so after our subscription expires in about 6 months all of our PC's will probably go back to AVG, we currently have two on OneCare and two on AVG.
However, the new (free) MS offering of 'Microsoft Security Essentials' sounds to be worth a look and I'll have it on at least one PC to see how it works out.    


EDIT: Almost forgot about my Acer Netbook... it has AVG installed.  :08:
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Re: Security Software
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 04:12:26 PM »
From all of my experience to date MS Security Essentials appears to be a winner, the first module ...Defender has been out for ...4 years???  and is top shelf!! if the other Modules can live up to defenders legacy ...then [[ as much as I hate to say it]] MS has a winner!!!
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 04:27:17 PM »
From all of my experience to date MS Security Essentials appears to be a winner, the first module ...Defender has been out for ...4 years???  and is top shelf!! if the other Modules can live up to defenders legacy ...then [[ asmuch as I hate to say it]] MS has a winner!!!

Yepp... pretty much agree with that sentiment.

Over the years folks have tended to slam MS a lot because of the performance of some of their products and they certainly deserved a lot of that criticism, but I've always compared them to whatever alternatives were available and on balance, taking into account price, support, ease of use or just about any other measurement MS has generally been my choice if I could afford the product in question.
Including, believe it or not all the versions of Windows, starting (for me) with 3.1.
I even liked Windows Me!  :hah:   

But I will say that Vista (it's on my current desktop) is not to pleasing for me so I'm seriously thinking of replacing with XP Pro.
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Re: Security Software
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2009, 04:32:20 PM »
I did 3.1!! and ME wasn't all as bad as everyone says it was ...it was my first intro to System Restore and wasn't that vulnerable in the day!!!!

I've taken all my Vista machines back to XP Pro ....BUT!!!! I really like Win 7!!!!!!!!!


 
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2009, 04:41:12 PM »
I d/l'ed W7 Beta, but had no machine to put it on so at this point it's an unknown to me.
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Re: Security Software
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2009, 04:47:09 PM »
Win 7 should be on the shelf within the next couple weeks ...I'm running Win 7 RC1 on a few machines ...what Vista did for networking ...W7 took the ball and ran with it ...W7 is the best OS out of Redmond to date!!!!  and the foot print is comparable to XP

It'll run on a 20-2-1 machine easily

actually it will run on 1/2 of that if you baby it and don't ask for much
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2009, 06:28:15 PM »
I refused to install Vista on any of my machines once I read up on it and became aware of its system requirements.

I did download the Win7 Beta as it gets better reviews and is apparently what Vista was supposed to be had they not rushed it out the door in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

I haven't installed it on anything though and am still contemplating which direction to take as I really liked PCLOS when I played with it and if there's any chance that it will crunch more than Win7 then I'd probably be inclined to change most of my own equipment over to that except for maybe one just in case I need Windows for something.