Hell, Matt hasn't been around in years! :funny:
I've got a feeling he just did an auto-uninstall and then reinstalled new versions. I think a "site refresh" is in order. That is what I call it when you remove everything, upload the smf upgrade package and reinstall your themes then your mods. It helps to get rid of any rogue code sitting around. I do it once or twice per year on my sites, if I've been adding/removing things.
Lately we've been having a few issues with page load times, post preview load times and some errors that only show up here on Our FamilyForum, so it's time to follow the advice of Steve and Mick and reload the site's file system. :thumbup:
We may be off line for a while and some functonally may be missing for a short time.
Reload of all the SMF files is complete, now the reinstall of all the Themes and Mods can begin.
Something is off... these errors are showing now and no Mods are installed, including TinyPortal. Not sure why the errors should be popping up when TP is not even installed?
Ken
http://www.ourfamilyforum.org/FamilyForum/index.php?topic=3672.new
8: Undefined index: tp-publish
File: /home/ourfamil/public_html/FamilyForum/Themes/default/index.template.php
Line: 487
http://www.ourfamilyforum.org/FamilyForum/index.php?topic=3672.new
8: Undefined index: TPortal
File: /home/ourfamil/public_html/FamilyForum/Sources/TPortal.php
Line: 130
http://www.ourfamilyforum.org/FamilyForum/index.php?topic=3672.0
8: Undefined index: tp-publish
File: /home/ourfamil/public_html/FamilyForum/Themes/default/index.template.php
Line: 487
http://www.ourfamilyforum.org/FamilyForum/index.php?topic=3672.0
8: Undefined index: TPortal
File: /home/ourfamil/public_html/FamilyForum/Sources/TPortal.php
Line: 130
And now, while in the middle of working on the site files, my internet connection is mucking up the landscape. groan:
Ken, I think you have loads of old files let over. especially in the sources folder and all the themes folders.
If it was me, I'd clean out anything that shouldn't be there after a fresh set of SMF files. Make sure it works, then install (clean) themes and then mods one by one checking the error log as you go.
For example, Your default theme curve folder has loads of TP files and old copies of its own files still in it. I'm betting your sources folder does too.
This is why it's chucking errors.
Thanks Mick, I'll take a look at that... if my internet connection lets me. laughing7
EDIT: Actually, it will have to wait until in the AM, after 2AM so that I don't get into trouble with my ISP again.
again.
oops, you got a data allowance on your isp then Ken?
I can see all the leftover files in the SMF default theme, from the admin here.
Check out all the leftover files . Just go to Admin > Themes and Layout > Modify Themes > Browse the templates and files in this theme.
You might actually cure the problem just by replacing the entire default theme tbh. Worth checking your sources folder for leftovers though. Back it up first so you have any custom images and logo etc.
Yepp... ISP crap again.
Looking at that folder tells me that you are right, so I'm going to delete and replace the Curve folder in the AM.
Sources has a lot of old files that need to be removed as well.
OK... a fresh copy of the SMF Default theme has been loaded, but we are still getting a few errors. Need to go through the Sources folder now to see what can be removed, but will need to stand down for now.
More later.
Yesterday, I logged in then nothing worked for me...wouldn't load anymore. Same for your cpanel. I guess you were working on it at the time.
Maybe so Steve... was it between 2AM and 8AM? That's when I was doing most of the work.
After uploading a fresh copy of the default theme and removing some of the leftover files from the Sources folder the errors appear to be gone... for now at least.
Tomorrow in the AM I will remove all of the custom themes and then try to start adding back some of the Themes and Mods.
BTW... my ISP showed my usage at 2.5gigs of traffic between 8AM and 9AM yesterday, which wiped out my available data and that's why I was a bit in and out. During my call to CS they claimed that it was all on my end, but my PC's were not doing anything other than Kay's FB. (mine was turned off)
It all worked out... they were really quick to give me 3gigs of 'Token Bytes' so that makes me think that it was really on their end, but they didn't want to admit it. :hah!:
Ps: Steve, is the post preview any better for you? For me it's blazing fast now.
I think it was between 8-9am...maybe after that but me thinks it was server site. Cause the site had issues and so did cPanel. cPanel issues are server side.
I keep telling you he uses old servers and not enough memory and cpu power.
Yes, I tried post preview earlier and is was very fast. The site overall is very fast atm.
Yes, I tried post preview earlier and is was very fast. The site overall is very fast atm.
Yepp... until me starts adding 'stuff'. laughing7
Seems quicker to me Ken. I see you've cleaned the files out nicely. Error log should be ok now.
The custom themes are still there and working, so not sure if you've already re-installed them. They seem to work ok.
Just installed TP 1.1.110 over at http://www.tinyportal.net Might as well give it a test there too. See it blurts any errors. :wink:
Seems quicker to me Ken. I see you've cleaned the files out nicely. Error log should be ok now.
The custom themes are still there and working, so not sure if you've already re-installed them. They seem to work ok.
Just installed TP 1.1.110 over at http://www.tinyportal.net Might as well give it a test there too. See it blurts any errors. :wink:
No changes to the themes yet.
What process do you think would work best? I'm thinking to just delete all of the custom themes and then install 'Outline' as the forum default.
On the errors, so far the only errors are the two that came up for you earlier in the day... plus a few spammers trying to get in. laughing7
I agree Ken, keeping the amount of themes to a minimum makes life easier. Best to disconnect them from SMF first using
Admin > Configuration > Themes and Layout > Theme Settings. And click the remove icon to the right hand side of each theme. Then you can delete them via ftp.
You Just need to choose wisely, and install them before any of the mods.
That error I generated is from some sort of mod which is still partially installed somewhere. If you look in Admin > Configuration > Modification Settings. You'll see a little checkbox sitting there with a save button to the right. No idea what that is tbh. There must be a file or two left over from that one.
Working... laughing7
Most of the old custom themes are uninstalled and deleted from the server. I'm wondering if that check box is a leftover from one of the custom themes?
We will find out soon enough.
Ken, now that SMF uses hooks some of them are hard to remove. You should use the "Fix Packages" tool.
http://download.simplemachines.org/?tools
That little checkbox could be from a hook. Mick is right about the themes. But the checkbox is from a mod, not a theme. Themes do not use that area.
You may be right Steve, but some of Bloc's themes were installed as mods, the 'BAC' theme series were such and although they have been uninstalled I was wondering if may this might be related. We will hopefully find out at some point.
EDIT: I'm downloading the fix packages tool and will use it once all the themes are removed from the server... it's a slow process. :o
Not really, back everything up. Then delete everything and upload new smf files and settings.php. Run repair_settings.php and all should be good. Just use the same db. should take you no more than 5-10 minutes not counting time for backup. Then you can add logos, themes, mods, and anything else.
Or a quicker "backup" is to copy everything to a new folder first using cPanel's File Manager...takes a few seconds. Then do the rest.
Ummm... just ran the fix_packages.php tool to 'remove all hooks' and now it shows all the packages as installed in the package manager, but they are not installed of course. Confusing.
Ummm... just ran the fix_packages.php tool to 'remove all hooks' and now it shows all the packages as installed in the package manager, but they are not installed of course. Confusing.
OK, it's back like it was on the packages.
I have to stop now and wait this tomorrow in the AM... this is killing my data usage. shocked003
They are not installed, just uploaded. If you see [install] then they are not installed yet. If you see [uninstall] then they are installed.
Or a quicker "backup" is to copy everything to a new folder first using cPanel's File Manager...takes a few seconds. Then do the rest.
Maybe this is the best route, have to wait now for the AM.
The checkbox is gone now. ;)
The checkbox is gone now. ;)
OK... I'll bite, how'ed you do that. laughing7
OK, here's my plan:
1/ Make a new folder; "/home/ourfamil/public_html/FamilyForum_new"
2/ Load a fresh copy of SMF 2.0.10 into the new folder.
... that should give me a virgin copy of SMF to work with.
3/ Back up the database.
4/ Rename the existing "/home/ourfamil/public_html/FamilyForum" using the date at that time, example; "...public_html/FamilyForum_07102015"
... using the date lets us keep track for later use as needed.
5/ Rename the "...FamilyForum_new" folder to "...FamilyForum" and run the install procedure using the existing database.
6/ Begin the rebuild process of copying over anything needed from the current folder.
... do you see anything that I'm leaving out, or need to do differently?
The checkbox is gone now. ;)
OK... I'll bite, how'ed you do that. laughing7
I didn't...you did when you ran Fix Packages. I checked after you ran it.
1. Backup database to your PC using phpmyadmin's export tool. It's better than SMF's.
2. Make a new folder; "/home/ourfamil/public_html/FamilyForum_new"
3. Upload a copy of SMF 2.0.10
large upgrade version into the new folder...not the full install version or it will try to create a new db. Use Cpanel's File Manager to upload the zip then extract it. Will take only a minute for uploading and extracting and is much faster than FTP.
4. Copy the Settings.php and Settings.bak files to the new folder. Do not forget this step or your forum will not load!
5. Rename the existing "/home/ourfamil/public_html/FamilyForum" using the date at that time, example; "...public_html/FamilyForum_07102015"
... using the date lets us keep track for later use as needed.
6. Rename the "...FamilyForum_new" folder to "...FamilyForum" and run the
upgrade procedure using the existing database. Run http://ourfamilyforum.org/FamilyForum/upgrade.php. This will ensure that your files and the database are upgraded as needed.
7. Upload repair_settings.php and run it to make sure everything is linked properly and showing the correct folders.
8. Test the forum to make sure it works and links/folders are correct.
9. Install themes, images, and mods...in that order.
Thanks Steve, I'll give it a go in the AM.
R/L stuff! :oops!
Got some stuff going on, so it will be a day or three before I can get back on this... sorry for the delay.
No problem. I'll have a look later if I can get back into cPanel...
Thanks Steve.
If you do, there is already a folder named "/home/ourfamil/public_html/FamilyForum_new"... but, it has the 'SMF full install' loaded into it. You mentioned that the 'SMF large upgrade' should be used, so that existing set of files should be removed. Or, just use a different name for your 'new' folder and I'll clean out that unused set of files later.
Sorry, been sleeping all day and time to make dinner.
Ok, I took a look and the way you wish to do it copying the folders back and forth is a bit messy. It's best to just copy the files to a new folder and get rid of everything in this folder and upload the new files. I did backup the db to my hd.
I do notice that you have a restore manager in cPanel where you can restore your files, db's, and email by a certain date. So, I "assume" that there are daily backups. However, I do not see a way to do backups via cPanel except for how I do it. I just select what I wish to backup in File Manager and select "Compress" to zip the files up. I can "Extract" them whenever I wish or download it to my HD.
I downloaded your old forum zip dated feb 2014 to my hd and alos zipped everything today as-is...named forum.zip in your root folder.
If you wish me to proceed let me know. It should only take about 10 minutes or so to upgrade the forum and make sure all is right.
Thanks Steve. Go for it. :thumbup:
For backups I use MySQLDumper and it has 6 daily backups stored in the "/home/ourfamil/public_html/msd1.24.4/work/backup" folder. Hope this helps?
LOL, that's a lot of backups. But it will save more of the posting.
Just had an idea...hold on...
Just had an idea...hold on...
I'm gripping my hat firmly. shocked003
I checked the file versions and all seem up to date...so. I don't see why I just can't upload the upgrade files and run them to make sure the db is up to date. You've already ran Fix Packages and none of them seem to be installed. All of the theme folders are deleted except for the default so most of the work seems to have been done already except to make sure the db is up to date. After that, you should be able to install the themes then the mods.
Done...
Great! Good job Steve! :thumbup:
The only theme we should install is the 'Outline', there a few more that have some appeal, like Bloc's 'Workdesk', but they can wait until we've sorted any issues that may come up.
I was very busy yesterday and not thinking right. This site, then I screwed up my grandfather's site which is still not right yet, and was cooking. LOL
Just make sure you install the themes first to avoid problems later. Then the mods and any custom coding. And make sure you check each mod to make sure it works before installing the next one. also install any problematic mods or the largest ones first. It will save a lot of work later.
Bloc has been doing some work on the final public version of TP and I've just posted to make sure that the very latest is posted to github. It may take a little while for him to respond... meanwhile, Mick may know? :happy1:
Well, it's up to you if you wish to wait to install it or not...
Anyhoo, it's time for me to eat and take a nap. I'll check back in a few hours. ;)
Thanks Steve... have a good nap. :2cool!!
Bloc has been doing some work on the final public version of TP and I've just posted to make sure that the very latest is posted to github. It may take a little while for him to respond... meanwhile, Mick may know? :happy1:
bloc has just added a fix for that error I posted about, it was just a typo in one of the files. Seems ready to go now. I'll test it and zip it up and attach it here for you guys. :thumbup:
OK, here it is attached Tinyportal-1.1 :thumbup:
OK, here it is attached Tinyportal-1.1 :thumbup:
Mick, is this the same the github file? I've just installed that version... had to unpack it and re-zip the files before it would work though. laughing7
OK, here it is attached Tinyportal-1.1 :thumbup:
Mick, is this the same the github file? I've just installed that version... had to unpack it and re-zip the files before it would work though. laughing7
Yep Ken. It's the same one. I had already zipped for you above. :wink:
Thanks Mick. :2cool!!
Got it (TP) installed now and that's all for now, I'll try to do more in the AM.
Thanks Mick. :2cool!!
Got it (TP) installed now and that's all for now, I'll try to do more in the AM.
No problem Ken. Looking good so far, apart from the theme, it's a tad narrow for my liking, lol. Think you adjusted it last time if I remember.
If we don't see any major problems with 1.1, then it's getting released. :thumbup:
what theme you on Mick, I am on the DzinerStudio theme looks fine
Thanks Mick. :2cool!!
Got it (TP) installed now and that's all for now, I'll try to do more in the AM.
No problem Ken. Looking good so far, apart from the theme, it's a tad narrow for my liking, lol. Think you adjusted it last time if I remember.
If we don't see any major problems with 1.1, then it's getting released. :thumbup:
I don't remember off the top how the width gets adjusted, I'll have to do some digging on how to do it.
This latest TP seems good so far. :thumbup:
what theme you on Mick, I am on the DzinerStudio theme looks fine
Hi Les. I suppose it will fit most of the smaller screens, it's a fixed width at 990px A lot of screens are wider than this though, my laptop is 1366 for example, so loads of wasted space either side.
Thanks Mick. :2cool!!
Got it (TP) installed now and that's all for now, I'll try to do more in the AM.
No problem Ken. Looking good so far, apart from the theme, it's a tad narrow for my liking, lol. Think you adjusted it last time if I remember.
If we don't see any major problems with 1.1, then it's getting released. :thumbup:
I don't remember off the top how the width gets adjusted, I'll have to do some digging on how to do it.
This latest TP seems good so far. :thumbup:
Should be easy enough Ken, just change in the index.css for the Outline theme from 990px to 95% You can dod this from admin.
Find
/* This division wraps the entire forum when a forum width is set. */
div#wrapper
{
width: 990px;Replace
/* This division wraps the entire forum when a forum width is set. */
div#wrapper
{
width: 95%;
Done. :)
Done. :)
Nice one Ken, thank you. Like it used to be now. :thumbup:
You are welcome... I like it this way as well. :thumbup:
I've been running some test because the site is still loading slow on pages where the blocks show. I've narrowed it down to the gallery block at the bottom. I've disabled it and so far the site is running a lot faster.
If it is slowing the page load times then we can leave it off... what is the name of that block Steve?
I really need to go through all of those blocks and delete any that won't be used again or those that will not work with current versions of TP/SMF.
I guess my last post didn't take...
I was going to say maybe it wasn't that block cause the site still does it at times. The gallery block is called Gallery in the lower blocks. But I've got the tpadmin page loading now for about a minute. It shows the page but you can see the load bar in the browser tab taking it's sweet time to get across the tab.
Does the site load slowly for you guys too? Click the "Forum" menu item. If it loads quickly try it a few more times. Also try it in other areas of the site.
All seems pretty quick to me Steve. Been clicking all over the place and hasn't played up yet. If I spot something I'll post back. ;)
I was just wondering if it was something on my end and may be. Other sites do not do this but this one does.
I was just wondering if it was something on my end and may be. Other sites do not do this but this one does.
Could be.. though this site might do it for me if I try it at random intervals. My own sites sometimes do this to me, and there's no real reason that I can find, other than my host playing up. All my stuff is on shared servers. :whistle1:
That is what I was thinking. there's only 256gb of memory allocated so that may be an issue by itself.
I've tried to get Ken to get new hosting but he sticks with this one.
Yeah, I've kind of stuck with this one, mostly because of the pricing. It would be nice to have enough speed and space and that should not cost all that much, especially so with a small site like this one.
We've only had a few (5?) hosts since we started our original site back in the nineties, guess that means that I'm slow to change some things. laughing7
Any good suggestions?
BTW, I'm getting slow page loads as well.
I was using Firefox but Chrome seems to be much faster.
On another note, I had issues access my backups in cPanel on my hosting and they told me it was a Firefox issue. Chrome worked perfectly. But they gave me a fix for it and now it works. Lately, I've been considering switching to Chrome. But on my tablet, FF works better than Chrome but not my PC! Go figure...
I've played with Chrome a little, but have stuck with FF for years... another thing that I'm slow to change.
I found some more minor issues with the latest TP, just version info in the package manager and when you install / uninstall showing the wrong versions. Nothing to worry about. So there'll be another zip along shortly, as soon as block has added it to the repo.
No need to replace the version installed here, as it will make no difference at all. ;)
I found some more minor issues with the latest TP, just version info in the package manager and when you install / uninstall showing the wrong versions. Nothing to worry about. So there'll be another zip along shortly, as soon as block has added it to the repo.
No need to replace the version installed here, as it will make no difference at all. ;)
What?!!! shocked003
Now you know how me loves to install stuff, even if it don't do anything.